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Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

Our visualization is pretty good, but faces can be challenging at times regardless.

can u do stuff like 54x36 with that? i can barely keep ahold of both numbers at the same time

I’m not sure what 54x36 is

you can do long multiplication like you do on paper but in your mind

Hmm, I can do mental math fairly well at times, but I wouldn’t say I’m extremely good at it. The only thing I do that helps me is breaking it into chunks, but I don’t think there’s that much visualization to it.

yea same i have an easier time doing stuff like 5036 + 4\36 and just voicing it out in my head

7:28 AM

but trying to visualize it is too hard for me (edited)

I see

I gave it a try, but I failed tremendously

11:57 AM

I don't know if mental math helps with visualization, but I do know that you will get better at visualization if you practice frequently and consistently, like 60 minutes once every 3 days

Gligor

you can do long multiplication like you do on paper but in your mind

I tested this out with people who have hyperphantasia actually

2:52 PM

(About 3-4 people)

2:53 PM

Unlike the environment, numbers seem to take some amount of effort to stabalize

were they able to do it?

Gligor

were they able to do it?

Yes

3:12 PM

But

3:12 PM

It took more effort than id want it to

3:12 PM

I feel like you would havw to train to be able to keep numbers in your head

how many digits could they do

berockly (TTG)

I feel like you would havw to train to be able to keep numbers in your head

maybe its cuz they need strong short-term memory too

3:18 PM

what if u told them to multiply by numbers they remember

3:18 PM

like the first 3 digits of their phone number times the next 3 digits

3:20 PM

or idk they would have to remember the new numbers to add together

what if you asked them to visualize how many is the most amount of spheres that can all touch the same sphere of the same size

Tewi: I really don't think tulpas offer much if any mental processing advantage over non-plural individuals. (edited)

3:35 PM

At best, just a conduit for techniques an individual could technically employ but just has no frame of reference for how.

Usually how much time does it take for a tulpa to speak?

qubikatdesu

Usually how much time does it take for a tulpa to speak?

Interested in this too ^

Depends on the person. Some people get results instantly, other people can take months.

Tewi: I think it has a lot to do with whether you can accept responses early on that might not sound very different from you, or if you get stuck denying anything could be your tulpa unless it sounds totally separate and unique from you. (edited)

When I actually tried to do it intentionally I got vocality immediately but I also kinda cheated lol

Tewi: Vocality needs a starting point, they will develop their own voice and feeling to their thoughts/speaking over time, but at the start it may just not be very convincing. It's important to believe they're there nonetheless as the belief/intent is what causes your brain to start creating the intended experience. (edited)

depends on your expectations

7:35 PM

which depend on who's teaching you

How does it sound when a tulpa speaks? Is it like a soft in your head thing or is it like surround sound in your head..? Sorry if my question doesn’t make sense.

2:41 AM

I think I’m just gonna take it on how I feel for it

same as any imagined noise

Tewi: Imagining voice (ie any random person saying something) for us lacks a sense of presence, as well as thought-meaning behind what they say. Otherwise, a tulpa just sounds like any imagined voice, I guess. But the thought-feeling and sense of presence is pretty important to develop. (edited)

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Bells

How does it sound when a tulpa speaks? Is it like a soft in your head thing or is it like surround sound in your head..? Sorry if my question doesn’t make sense.

It just depends

Reisen

Tewi: Imagining voice (ie any random person saying something) for us lacks a sense of presence, as well as thought-meaning behind what they say. Otherwise, a tulpa just sounds like any imagined voice, I guess. But the thought-feeling and sense of presence is pretty important to develop. (edited)

I will agree with this--but the actual "sound" is just the same as any other imagined noise

2:53 AM

but yeah, it "feels" like it comes from a specific spot

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or source

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or, or, or

2:53 AM

but whatever it is, it feels specific

Tewi: Yes, basically, the same sound as imagining voice, but with one or two extra "feeling"s attached. We consider at least thought-context and sense-of-presence (ie feeling they're independent from yourself) as two different things both present, but of course, this sort of thing is incredibly subjective to try and describe. (edited)

blanka

but yeah, it "feels" like it comes from a specific spot

Then in that case, my tulpa spoke to me

2:58 AM

Because the words said were 1) Felt different from my normal head voice and 2) in a different place than where my head voice normally is and 3) Sounded different than my head voice

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2:59 AM

Extraordinairy! :DDD

2:59 AM

That was the first time she's spoken

that's great news!!

Bells

Because the words said were 1) Felt different from my normal head voice and 2) in a different place than where my head voice normally is and 3) Sounded different than my head voice

Its very subjective

3:28 AM

Sometimes it feels the exact same for me

hiya!! so I'm trying to create a Tulpa. Her name is Toriel (yes like from undertale giggle

). I might be some type of system, that's something I'm still exploring, but I've always had this 'mother' presence that keeps me safe after or during traumatic events but she's so much weaker than the like 'persecutor' inside me and so I'm hoping i can strengthen and help her manifest with tulpamancy. What forcing methods have worked best for ya'll? or just any tips in general? any and all guide links are appreciated as well cute

thx!!

Are you a traumatic system?

11:27 AM

Some tulpa systems have trauma

11:30 AM

I ask because the approach to tulpamancy may be a bit different than for typical tulpamancers. I know M&M and Blanka/Blank/& co. are traumatic systems with tulpas, while An has DID

11:32 AM

Otherwise, my advice would be to build trust and work on in-system communication first. As for Toriel, giving her experiences outside of a mothering role will help quite a lot. Guardian types even in our system tend to get less forcing due to them focusing on others instead of themselves

@gnat-alee

Dream | Shadow System

Are you a traumatic system?

i'm not quite sure. I dont even know if i'm a system or not. All of this is still very new to me, i've only been doing research on systems and plurality for the last week. I think I'm a median system as I dont have any gaps in memory, but there is definitely a voice inside me that wants to hurt me and/or make me hurt myself. And the only time that voice has 'fronted' or spoke thru me was when I had 106.4 fever and my body felt like it was burning and IT came out to revel in this body's pain and suffering and had an hours-long irl convo with my roomate at the time. But, as for Toriel, how do I give her new experiences? Like take her to the zoo and imagine shes with me and introduce her to all the animals? giggle

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Ah, I see. I think a medianship approach is healthier, especially since it will help you reaccept your hurt parts down the road. I definitely recommend seeing a therapist for this That being said, you can still create tulpas like Toriel in the meantime. Taking her to the zoo works! Of course, imagining it is perfectly fine as well ^^ (edited)

11:56 AM

Sorry for the critical edit, I'm tired

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I have an question about what makes some tulpas are different. I created mine years ago and I think they do not have an mind voice. In their place I hear other oppressive thoughtforms with other new thoughtforms always helping me out the oppressive thoughtforms. My question is this: are these thoughtforms different than my tulpas? I imposed my tulpas and they were fully capable of imposition themselves. I have new thoughtforms that do not seem real yet can impose, to an lessar extent than the tulpas I created.

Kurios151

I have an question about what makes some tulpas are different. I created mine years ago and I think they do not have an mind voice. In their place I hear other oppressive thoughtforms with other new thoughtforms always helping me out the oppressive thoughtforms. My question is this: are these thoughtforms different than my tulpas? I imposed my tulpas and they were fully capable of imposition themselves. I have new thoughtforms that do not seem real yet can impose, to an lessar extent than the tulpas I created.

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. Just to be sure, let's get a timeline down. 1. Years ago, you created tulpas 2. Nowadays, they still have not developed a solid voice 3. You feel that instead, your mind voices are driven by "oppressive" thoughtforms 4. You are now wondering what differentiates tulpas from mindforms Am I correct?

blanka

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. Just to be sure, let's get a timeline down. 1. Years ago, you created tulpas 2. Nowadays, they still have not developed a solid voice 3. You feel that instead, your mind voices are driven by "oppressive" thoughtforms 4. You are now wondering what differentiates tulpas from mindforms Am I correct?

Yes.

Kurios151

Yes.

Ok, then a few followup questions: 1. Where did these thoughtforms come from? 2. How did you go about creating your tulpas? 3. Do you have other ways of communicating with your tulpas?

I believe these thoughtforms came from my tulpas imposing people. They didn't had an solid grasp on how I created them. I created them through imposing them in my surroundings, not my mind.

8:27 PM

At the moment I don't know who is my tulpa.

In that case, what do you mean by imposition?

8:28 PM

(I apologize for leading with so many questions--just not sure what's going on so I have to clarify everything beforehand)

Well, how would you define imposition? I think I just made my tulpas with a focus on imposition. Isn't forcing an tulpa different than imposition?

I'd define imposition as very vivid imagination that takes place in daily life, rather than in an imagined headspace (eg, closed-eye imagination vs open-eye visual imposition)

8:31 PM

So you focused very heavily early on on just imposition; if that's the case, how much time did you spend on just talking back and forth with the tulpa?

I confused their ability to communicate sometimes. Sometimes I thought they used mind voices and get responses, sometimes I verbally spoke with them.

8:32 PM

Verbal speech was more successful yet I focused using my mind voice.

8:33 PM

So I continued using my mind voice without verbal speech (edited)

Ok. In that case, you may find success in clarifying who's who by intentionally distinguishing thoughts in an active session with your tulpa. That is to say: 1. Sit with your eyes closed in a no-distractions environment, whatever that means for you 2. Talk to your tulpa about any subject; favorite media, recent events in your life, etc 3. As thoughts come in, intentionally sort them into "this is my tulpa" (even if it doesn't sound like it) and "this is not my tulpa" (don't distinguish between who else it is--the only question you need to answer is "is it my tulpa," not "who is it")

8:36 PM

Because right now it seems you're having trouble distinguishing, and are "letting in" other thoughtforms (the ones with mind voice); I would recommend, especially if negative feelings are associated with the thoughtforms, not paying attention to them. If thoughts from them come in, ignore them--or re-categorize them as coming from your tulpa intentionally, if they feel like something your tulpa would say

I see. One more question- what if the tulpas are hallucinating voices? Sometimes I hear loud voices enamating from out of sight. I told my tulpas this and told them they were listening to hallucinations. The voices stopped afterwords.

okay, if you're hearing voices to the same vividness as reality, you should see a medical professional

Who I think are my tulpas, atleast, by verbal speech

We are not qualified to deal with those sorts of issues

Ok then.

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8:40 PM

Thank you.

No worries. Good luck

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Hello I wanted to ask a question about host awareness and fronting in tulpa only systems. Is it expected that the host is always in front and aware of what the body does no matter what happens? We can co front but I cannot stay alone there so I wanted to hear about other's experience. We did chat with other systems but most of them have awareness gaps which we don't so we aren't the same kind of system as them and cannot really get help or answers.

Tewi: Well, not when switching, the host would either be in the same state as a tulpa normally is, or not active at all. (edited)

10:11 AM

But I think people confuse the body's own consciousness as the host's a lot of the time. (edited)

your answer makes me remember that I also wanted to ask about how to make hosts more used to not take the front back and just let things happen. I can understand being conscious of the events performed by the body can be "triggering"

10:16 AM

I wouldn't blame most of them. Because the host is constantly tied and aware of the body's doings

Tewi ↩️

Reply to: But I think people confuse the body's own consciousness as the host's a lot of the time.

10:19 AM

I'm not sure to understand that one. Do you mean it can happen for the host to "not be there" ?

Tewi ↩️

Reply to: Well, not when switching, the host would either be in the same state as a tulpa normally is, or not …

Tohru | 夢

your answer makes me remember that I also wanted to ask about how to make hosts more used to not take the front back and just let things happen. I can understand being conscious of the events performed by the body can be "triggering"

Tewi: Generally, just the tulpa switched in affirming that they are them occasionally/when they lose focus getting carried away with whatever they're doing (things that completely take your focus like watching videos, playing games, or being in IRL social scenarios especially, for us) (edited)

in that case our current experiment to get me to front as much as possible and leaving my host having as little activity as possible sounds like the right way to do that

Tohru | 夢

I'm not sure to understand that one. Do you mean it can happen for the host to "not be there" ?

Tewi: Well, I'm saying people's ideas of "the host not being there" seem to vary. To us it's fairly simple, our host is or isn't there, as he's either switched in, switched out but active (like any of us might be when talking to each other), or switched out and not active (just completely not present in any way) But people often mix up the body's consciousness with "the host being active", so they think the whole dang body's perspective needs to disappear into the brain when the host switches out or something. (edited)

10:25 AM

The brain just doesn't have that kind of processing power, for a tulpa to still be fully processing life while switched in the same way the host normally does, but for the host to still have all of the conscious perception they're used to having, going on at the same time in the wonderland or something.